Double Espresso: The First Shot
You're listening to Double Espresso with Kai and George recorded in Swig HQ.
George:So episode one is happening. Why don't you tell us where we are right now?
Kai:We are in this week HQ in Stretford which if you didn't know is one of the best places on this planet and if people have watched me on videos from way back when you will know that I am now serving coffee to the people of Stretford. If you know that you an OG but more to the point of where we are because I've just gone on a tangent which you'll notice I do that quite a lot is that we are in fact located at M 328 HN 41 Edge Lane next to Stretford Metrolink looking at a beautiful dual carriageway.
George:And it is beautiful. Mean the weather
Kai:Weirdly is quite nice. Yeah. It's quite serene. It's like the only street I've ever stared at that looks quite cool. Yeah.
Kai:I know what you mean. In a weird way.
George:Because especially with the Canal Bridge, like we're literally on the bridge as well.
Kai:You can't see the water but you can
George:You can you can sense.
Kai:You can feel like you can.
George:Yeah. Like this is like Stratford sort of Maldives vibe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Kai:If you can't afford The Maldives, just come to Swig and look sell side with the rhubarb and strawberry vitamin drink. Oh, yeah. Which is what we're which is what we're drinking right now.
George:Not sponsored. No.
Kai:Yeah. We're not sponsored yet, you know, but but it is pretty good.
George:It is very good. So let's let's talk a little bit about, like, why this is happening because Okay. I feel like it's the perfect time to launch podcast, but I also feel like we kind of really don't know each other. No. Which is a really weird combination.
Kai:I think we should talk about who we are, what we're doing, and why we don't know each other and now why we're sat in front of each other doing a podcast.
George:I'm George, hi.
Kai:Hi George.
George:I feel like I'm like Alcoholics Anonymous. So I live in Stratford as well And what will it have been? It would have been about a year ago. In fact, it was a year on the March 17, I set up Common, which is my theatre company. So I'm like a director, producer.
George:I'm not gonna say actor because I don't act. I hate that. But kind of will do anything really. Mhmm. And
Kai:then As all things creative.
George:Yeah. Any yeah. Literally. Graphic design, photography. I mean, I'm not good at any of it, but I will do it.
George:Yeah. You try. Yeah. Absolutely. And so I set up a theatre company and I guess the this is why I think it's a good idea that we do podcasts because my theatre company's first proper event was at Stret Fest, and I got coffee from your van Mhmm.
George:On that first Stret Fest, which I believe it was also your kind of launch really in the van?
Kai:Think it was my first time properly serving coffee to people who just wanted coffee and didn't know me. Beforehand there was a few pop ups some things I was doing one event at a festival well that was like you know people being there they had nowhere else to go but yeah I think it was the first time I took the van somewhere public and you were there but I don't remember serving you a coffee.
George:I mean you served you must have served at least like There's a lot
Kai:of people.
George:Yeah I mean you had a queue all day I was Which
Kai:was quite good for the first
George:Yeah, and I was in, I employed two very good actors and street performers to perform on the very famous Stretford benches, which are like the deck chairs.
Kai:Oh, the Stretford Beach.
George:The Stretford Beach, which is just mad. Probably
Kai:did. Fair. It's pretty iconic. It is very iconic now.
George:In a
Kai:in a good and a bad way. I have many things to say about it, for another podcast.
George:That's another episode. So then yeah. And then we just we just kept kind of like the universe kept pushing us together because obviously then the next time I saw you, I think was when I was nominated as a hero barista for the Marzocco.
Kai:We're not sponsored yet, but the Marzocco, you know who I am, and I love you very much. The machine is a good friend of mine. So, yeah, we're using LaMazaco if you want to source George a LaMazaco Micro or Linear Mini for his house.
George:We're right here. I'm not gonna complain of that, but yeah. So I got nominated for that and then you were also there at the party. So I was a home barista nomination, which was very controversial because I have a pot machine.
Kai:You didn't say that though, did you?
George:I did tell them once they'd come and done all of the because they came to my work and filmed me and then it was like as they were leaving I was like, oh, by the way, I have a POD machine, is that okay? And they were like, yeah, that should be, just don't mention it. And it was like, okay.
Kai:That's one way to do it.
George:And then you obviously opened here and it was like, I just started coming in because it was really good coffee and yeah. Is it? Yeah. It's really good coffee. I'm glad.
George:It is I don't often like, I've lived here now, I think, nearly seven years. I've known my partner at least seven years. He lives in Stratford, and I don't think I've ever been consistently coming into a place to get coffee or drinks or whatever.
Kai:You're here quite a lot to be fair.
George:I am.
Kai:Can I just add also that we're not just sitting in here with no one looking at us, we have like the whole of Stratford walking path? Yeah. It's quite funny because some people are like what are them two weirdos doing? Other people are looking like oh that looks cool. So yeah if you see me kind of looking over there it's because I can't stop
George:looking at It's quite and it is quite distracting. It's actually worth saying as well before we started recording this, you you've done a full day's work today.
Kai:I've done a full day's work. Half seven, woke up, lost my keys to the car, so I was a bit stressed, but it's all good. Found them thanks to my great fiance that helped me find them they were actually in her coat pocket so that was part of the issue but it's not a problem I'm here and we did a full day on my own as most of the days at the moment are. It's a solo owner operated coffee shop with some help from other staff on the weekends. We have been here all day serving coffee, cold drinks, kimchi cheese croissant.
George:Why don't you talk about yourself tell us tell us about how Swig came about. So Swig came about
Kai:I'm called Kai some might some people might know some people might not some people just say I'm the Swig man which is quite funny or that man with that van which is probably controversial in terms of a man with a van. And it's a little weird Bedford Rascal if you've not seen it. Swig came about probably so before SWIG I'm a trained photographer from college at 16 didn't really know what I wanted to do, didn't get too many grades at school so I was kind of like not sure what want to do. I was thinking about actually becoming a mechanic imagine that. I mean I'm pretty decent at fixing cars I mean the other day someone in fact it was you that popped me filling up someone's car
Kai:with Yeah. Did.
George:Well because I and I knew it because I just thought he'll want a picture of this and you came in and you were like
Kai:Actually, wasn't wasn't that bothered, boy. It's quite cool.
George:You did say though, oh, someone should have got a picture because it's like and I was like, I did.
Kai:Nice. Great minds think alike.
George:And then it was like because it is because it was kind of magical because you were like, you were doing coffee and then it was like you were gone and we turned around and you were literally like pushing a car up the hill.
Kai:Yeah. I I was I I did fill up that car like three times but the lady had used the car past the emergency fuel so just a bit of advice if you ever ever get to the off fuel gauge on zero don't keep driving because you will have no fuel and you can't break down outside the Swig shop.
George:Or maybe if you are gonna break down it's the best place to break down?
Kai:Exactly so maybe just purposely do it. I've had the Swig shop. No don't because I was in service and it was quite annoying by the It
George:was it was quite interesting.
Kai:The lady was lovely so it fine. But back to Swig. So yeah I went to college, was a photographer learning and then applied for universities it came around I was like I don't think I'll ever go to uni I don't really know anything about that am I that good? And then the tutors were like you're pretty good I was like okay I'll apply for London because of fashion which is where I went in London lived there for three years it was probably some of the best times of my life learnt a lot whilst I was there I was in coffee shops multiple. Wasn't as nerdy as I am now on coffee I learnt a lot about coffee from research myself yeah just because I'm into it.
Kai:But SWIG came about around about I'd say May 2024. Does that make sense?
George:Yeah last year. Yeah. Yeah May.
Kai:That's easy way of saying it right? May and I was actually doing photography tutoring at the Manchester College so then whilst I was there I was like I want to start something in coffee because I didn't want to work in a coffee shop for someone else I've always wanted to work for myself that's been a goal of mine from a long long long time ago. I've always said to parents and friends like I want to be my own boss. Fair and square I think it's super important for me as a person, some people don't want to do that but for me it was super important to get to the goal that I had and at the time I had a little bit of money that I was like I'm gonna do something clever with this money rather than going and buying trainers which I did maybe buy a few pairs of but we did it and bought the van which the name of Swig to be fair just came around roundabout pretty like natural. It was literally like I'm from Stretford I'm a mank I'm gonna call it swig because that's what we do, we swig drinks.
George:But it's not it's an acronym, isn't it? It was an acronym afterwards. Oh, so it didn't start as
Kai:an acronym. I called it swig being like, yeah, man. I'm gonna call it Swig, like swig a drink. You swig everything. And then me and my partner, like, came with the logos.
Kai:I want a logo of Swig in the middle with a corp and, like, me in, buggy trousers holding it she like literally made the logo in like five minutes it was really really sketchy and then like she did it in what's the the thing she uses she like squiggle it up really quick made it look amazing like that's it we're doing that. Then maybe like three weeks afterwards Maisie's mum was like oh my days, SWIG means see where I go and I was like oh does it? And then I thought actually to be fair it does make sense because I'm a moving van and you have to see where I go. Okay. Who's gonna know the next location unless until I release it where do you
George:know that I'm gonna be? See, that makes a lot more sense now because I've only realized since because it's and again, I'm pointing, but for you at home, it's on it's a vinyl on the window. So there's the Swig logo and then in the corner it says see where I go. Correct. But it makes more sense now it's the van.
George:It's the van. Yeah. Which was more okay.
Kai:Yeah. Because that that was mobile so it was like right I'm gonna be at this spot. And then it was like right see where I go next. Know? Quite ironic now that I'm in one place to be fair and the van is in Charlton on Brookburn Road on a weekend which is also ironic because that doesn't move anymore it's just there.
Kai:What is quite nice though because it's like see where I go has now become like also two coffee people two coffee people just walked past. One Patrick from Ossele, he's got a coffee shop in Ermiston. He just rode his bike past the shop and waited and like stuck his tongue out. And Nat from Atrium Coffee in St Peter's Square just walked past. Backtrack to what I was saying.
Kai:So the Swig logo, the see where I go, it's quite funny now because it doesn't make any sense anymore but it kind of does because when I thought about it I was like hang on a minute, you have now seen where I've gone. Yeah. And you're going like I think Yeah.
George:Are gonna go next? Yeah. Mean, so because so how old are you again? So you're 20 25. 20 five.
George:Okay. So this is only two years between us and I don't know many 25 year olds who in a year have started up a business from a van to then get a shot. And then you've also had a quite a lot of online sort of presence. Mean you're at the moment in the Manchester scene you're on all major sort of the lifestyle platforms that are I
Kai:think that's massively helped me in terms of business like I'm gonna utilise this podcast as well for people that are watching to talk about the things that you guys ask me because week in week out a lot of questions come through to the Instagram mostly asking me how do I start a van, what generator do I use, what coffee do you use, how did you start a business etc etc. It's an owner operated coffee shop, it's been a graft. So you know this is an opportunity for me to talk about you know it's not just all sunshine and sunshine from like it looks like on Instagram which yeah these platforms help to do that and you know big shout to Manchester Finest, them guys have massively supported me and allowed me to gain presence in the Manchester scene. I think also because they've seen that I was just a young guy doing something he wanted to do, he's stuck at it. Hi, guys.
Kai:Some some people waving at us.
George:This this is this is the hazard of recording in front of a giant window where the public are walking.
Kai:I quite like it.
George:I do too.
Kai:Think it gives fishbowl.
George:Yeah. It gives it a bit of, like I feel like Nemo. Energy. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm sort of I feel like I'm buzzing off.
Kai:I never thought in my life I'd be like Dora Dora. What's it? Dora there? What's her name?
George:Dora from Nemo. Dory.
Kai:Dory. Sorry.
George:Dory. You're thinking of Dora the Explorer?
Kai:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not her. Sorry, Dora. Dory.
Kai:Yeah. What were we saying?
George:You were saying you thanking Manchester fans
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Kai:So to them guys like them allowing me to go on platforms and know reaching out to me and doing a video I did not think anything would come about like it did.
George:Oh my god no it blew up.
Kai:I think maybe the first video they did at my van I was probably on like 850 followers. Now also let me add that anyone wants to start a coffee van or a coffee company followers do not matter. People's engagement with you will bring your customers in your shop right because obviously I do love this but I've got to pay bills so I've got to make some However it's not the be all and end all like I go to some amazing coffee shops that do super well and they don't really care about social media but I'm also a 25 year old that loves social media I'm on it all the time I'm constantly inspired by other things all the people are doing, seeing art, culture, photography, so I'm always on it. So for me it was a big thing like do you want to be on a Manchester Findlay page? Damn right I do, like it was awesome.
Kai:So yeah the first video they came and I was like I said maybe on eight hundred eight hundred fifty followers if I can remember correctly. Then within like what three weeks there was like thousands of followers. Yeah. There's people coming to the van from far and wide such as London. We have come to visit this Swig van.
Kai:That is actually mad. A local person starting somewhere that I thought like I had passion about it I believed in I could do something with Swig but I didn't know what could do it this well this is successful to me and that's people coming through the door by the way that's success to me. It could be one person, could be 50, it's all success. But I never thought on my days like I'm gonna have like over five k followers within like three months of these videos being posted and most of the coffee scene know who I am and all these people are being super nice to me. They want me to stock things.
Kai:They wanna come to my shop. They wanna try what I'm doing. They wanna be a part of this swig vibe because I think that's also a thing. Like, people are coming to drink, yeah, a good product. Definitely.
Kai:They wanna speak to me. They they don't wanna know what I've done on the weekend, and they wanna, like, you know, oh, I've seen your video. Like and I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I'm literally the same guy.
Kai:Like, don't change.
George:See, this is this is why when I approached you for the podcast, I was like, this is the perfect sort of is the perfect sort of podcast for me anyway because I'm like, you're a business owner, you're young, you're doing really well, and actually it's sort of like coffee is a massive part of everyone's life.
Kai:Of course.
George:And obviously, I think the format's definitely gonna be expert rookie. I have no idea. Yeah.
Kai:Let let's get a bit about that because it's like just a little tiny snippet. The name of the podcast is Double Espresso Yeah. As you can see, right? From the name of the podcast. However, we decided it because it was George's idea by the way, not me.
Kai:And I was like, perfect. Is a coffee pro, which is weird to say, but I kind of am, I guess. I know a lot about coffee. And then you're non pro. So it's like double espresso of so let's say like the porta filter if you know what that is.
Kai:Right?
George:Oh, I I I think Go on. Go on. Go Let's see
Kai:if you got it.
George:Okay. So when you you have the that that's the part where the extraction of the water goes through and then because you have to have a bigger one or
Kai:a smaller
George:one for
Kai:a single one. So the porta filter is where you put the ground coffee in. Oh, there are little holes in? Yeah. You tamp it
George:and it comes out.
Kai:Yep. So on mine, for example, I've got, like, two little teats. That's how I would describe it. And the double espresso comes in the cup. So one side's me, one side's George.
Kai:There you are. There you go. That's that's the explanation.
George:I mean, that must have been a very painful experience for anyone who is, like, very into their coffee hearing me not know what a portafilter is.
Kai:But I think I think it's great.
George:I think it's, like, a very good way of if you're new to the coffee scene or if you maybe if you just got a coffee machine at home, you know, I think it's especially since lockdown, more and more people are buying coffee machines. I agree.
Kai:But I also think that it's amazing for a speciality scene because there was a sort of like a jump from before Covid to now. Before Covid coffee was big right? Yep. It always kind of has been.
George:Yeah definitely. The
Kai:specialty scene was big but then what happened is everyone in Covid who liked coffee then bought a coffee machine or filter or pour over some sort of coffee way of making if it makes sense.
George:Yeah definitely.
Kai:And what happened in that time was that people would appreciate how much it took for a barista to make a drink and a good one because they were like my drink's not the same why does it taste so grim? Well that's why there's baristas in coffee shops right. In that time period people buying coffee machines or buying beans you know all online and some coffee shops were open and if you know about these coffee shops that were open now they're massive because they built up such a beautiful community that they're so big now because all these people still go and more and they like you know a big part of someone's life that whole period of time when they were going on their daily walk to get a coffee from that coffee shop that was a still hard to serve coffee. So what's happened is now back to what you said is that people appreciate more about what we do behind the coffee machine. Yeah definitely.
Kai:And that slightly has allowed the coffee seed in The UK to begin to grow. So in Melbourne the coffee scene if you know is massive, the Flat White was created in Australia and like if you go to Melbourne it's like the haven of coffee right. Nearly every single coffee shop is good even coffee in the gas station, petrol station is good. It's really good. Anyway so because of COVID I think that people got into coffee more.
Kai:They buy a Sage Pro, they buy a little kettle with the little filters. Definitely. I'm saying it's like what people say, you know, the little kettle and the filter is called a V60 or an Oreo brewer, you know, like whether you use it, these actual terms guys learn it. I'm joking. So, like, you know, people had all this, like, plus people have money.
Kai:Yeah. I mean,
George:is the thing. When you don't go and I mean, I shouldn't probably say this sat in a coffee shop, but when you don't go and buy coffee out, you'll have more money to buy the coffee machine. Yeah. But like you said and and I'm gonna go from a personal experience because me and my partner, Scott, we got a coffee machine.
Kai:What's this gonna be? Mhmm. Yeah. Well, it
George:was it was a proper coffee machine with like but it had a it did I had to do a little bit of research because I kind of forgot it was quite a while ago and it had a built in like tamper. Okay. Press. It was a press.
Kai:Yeah.
George:Yeah. And so you didn't have to do it by hand. So it was like you put the
Kai:Actually, I'm lost actually. Don't know what you mean.
George:So it was like it was a Sage one Right. And it was like an all in one. So it had you put the coffee beans in and then you know when you what's this machine here? The grinder. The grinder.
George:So like I
Kai:think you
George:had a grinder in it. Yeah. But then you know like you take you take the Yeah. Your port filler. Yeah.
George:And then you tamp. Tamp. Yeah. You didn't have to do that. So you put it in, it automatically filled and then you pulled down the lever and it like did it Alright.
George:Internally. It's pretty cool. No. It's not. Because it just never worked.
George:So it was like you would dial in the so you would follow the instructions. By the way, non coffee pro
Kai:just said dial in. That was pretty cool.
George:Yeah. Well, it's I mean, it's it's hanging around with you, Kai.
Kai:That's Yeah. Yeah. It's Yeah. It's Fair enough.
George:The the culture
Kai:is Do you know how to dial in? No. We're good. Back on track.
George:So you but you have to I only know this because when we had to take the whole coffee machine back because we were, like, convinced that it was just us not knowing how to use it, but there actually was a technical fault with it. But we at one point, we went through, like, four bags of coffee beans in two days.
Kai:Yeah. It's not
George:working. So that's why we ended up with a pod machine. Okay. So we've got a very nice pod, Sage one, where it's like you put the pod in and it's got like a milk frother and Yeah. Yeah.
George:And everything. And do you
Kai:know what? We we got
George:it as an interim sort of like before we thought, well, we still want a coffee machine. We've had a bad experience, but maybe we need to just get like a one that's not got all this built in technology. Just what like a traditional And we've just always used the pod one because it's actually
Kai:I've got nothing against pods to be fair. Like, you know, for my house coffee, use kickback and they sell pods and people who buy pods that are good pods, good on you. At least you're buying a coffee that you want and yeah pods are not what we do but you're still drinking coffee.
George:Yeah and I'm not using Nespresso pods I don't like Nespresso coffee but I don't mind the machines it's like But I will admit, I I think I told you this before, the Colombian one from Lidl
Kai:You said. Yeah.
George:And Aldi.
Kai:Sometimes Lidl and Aldi have
George:some very good stuff.
Kai:I love the random miles where you get, like, bath mats and stuff on them.
George:I could do a whole podcast on the mid aisle.
Kai:I love that. The mid aisle is go it.
George:I was once in a show where the lead was late coming because they'd seen online that they were selling a chainsaw and they needed that chainsaw so they went to the Aldi that was local to them and they didn't have it so they just traveled around until they found this chainsaw and they literally turned over the chainsaw. Great. I mean,
Kai:I tell a similar story you know not a chainsaw but that happened at Stretford Aldi obviously the SWIG shop I was like right I need to get a fire exit sign I need a fire extinguisher all this. Just looking online that day right this not a lie so I sat over there you can't see it, there's no windows no customers in I was like I need to order this and order this. I rang fire station and they were like you need to just like order online and get a specialist to come and like give it.
George:They just
Kai:give it
George:you, like
Kai:to buy it off them. I was like
George:£300
Kai:like you know just starting my shop. So I was like oh god I need this fire extinguisher, I needed a powder one. So get this right, I leave work, go to Aldi to buy mac and cheese with chorizo by the way it's really good. Banging I've had it. It's really good.
Kai:Especially selected anyway tangent I told you I'd gone Tangent. Basically, I went up to the middle aisle and there was a fire extinguisher on its own just randomly there for £10.
George:Oh, I was gonna say it wasn't didn't belong to them.
Kai:No. No.
George:Not like that. Yeah.
Kai:The problem is Jetford, don't just Nick fire extinguishes. No. No. No. No.
Kai:It was actually for sale.
George:Oh my god.
Kai:It's like, yeah, it's downstairs. That is like, that's mad. Bouquet. Yeah. Bouquet.
Kai:I I don't I don't actually think they were meant to sell it. I I just reckon someone just went the guy in the swig shop that needs a fire extinguisher. I was gonna put a barcode on it.
George:I wanted a pair of Crocs really bad.
Kai:I got Crocs on right now.
George:But are they lined Crocs?
Kai:No. I've got them in my garden.
George:Yeah. I desperate for them, and they were in the middle aisle, and they were £5. Green? Yes.
Kai:I've got them.
George:And they're, fluffy, but they only had a size eleven, and I'm a size nine. So I do look like a clown when I wear them, but I only wear them around the house.
Kai:Mine is size nine. I got that earlier. Oh. It's all good. Don't worry.
Kai:You you can buy with me if you want.
George:I'm alright. I don't want I don't wanna buy you a second profit though. I don't I don't wanna buy you a second on Grog's. Thanks. More than
Kai:twice, to be fair.
George:I I wear mine in the winter. Well, I think we're gonna have to wrap up, but I thought maybe next week Mhmm. Why don't we have a little bit of a theme? Mhmm. And it's like like double espresso and then Let's do it.
George:Like, we maybe try a double espresso. What machine have you got by the way?
Kai:This is a La Marzocco linear classic. Right. Mhmm. It's an old machine, but it's a beast. These machines well looked after are like some of the best machines you can get.
Kai:And you see that most of the new ones are like basically designed from this.
George:Yeah I was gonna say because you see the see Marazzoco in like most shops. Yeah. There must be industry standard I'm assuming.
Kai:For specialty yeah there's other brands that are just as good more expensive more fancier more flashy but I really like the style I like the look it goes with like the theme of Swig if you know it like I had a retro van I've now got a shop that looks a bit retro you know that's the style I like is sort of like that modern that sort of vibe you know like the stuff I buy and what I'm into that's the vibe so this golf machine kind of suits that.
George:Wait so do you have one in the van as well or do you have to swap?
Kai:No I have a different brand in the van.
George:Right okay.
Kai:That's a San Remo. It's just an easier smaller powered machine.
George:Right
Kai:okay. Similar size though but it's just a bit easier for the van.
George:Yeah definitely. So yeah, I think we're gonna have to
Kai:I think we should wrap.
George:Wrap it up. I
Kai:think like the next few episodes we do, talk more about coffee, double espresso, more what I use, maybe teach a few things.
George:Oh, I definitely wanna I wanna learn. I wanna I wanna see how to I was thinking about maybe as well we could do like coffee cam. Coffee cam. So it's like Well, head come on. I mean, yeah, if that works or like
Kai:Body cam. He's a police officer and get that body cam off him.
George:Absolutely. Don't think you'd like that boy. Robert. Robert.
Kai:Also let's add as well that it's not just going to be oars every time. No. We are going to be getting guests in from all areas of the world literally and we're gonna get people to talk about what they do, what coffee means to them. Also was like as well like why do people go in a coffee shop? Know it's like so many people come through the door so
George:like so many stories
Kai:getting them to like maybe come have a chat obviously some bigger names as well like local Manchester sort of influencing people not influencers people that have influenced Manchester as a place and coffee related people, non coffee related people, music, arts, culture, everything. A lot. So if you are listening and you want to be involved in Double Espresso podcast and the Swig shop, come down, have a chat with us. I'm sure we can
George:yeah. And we are on all socials now. So we are we've got Instagram and TikTok, which is just double espresso podcast. And we also have a website, which is www.doubleespressopodcast.com.Dotcom.Dotcom.
Kai:Yeah. Videos on YouTube? Yeah. Videos should
George:be going out onto YouTube at
Kai:the same time that the podcast drops. If anyone's got any questions about coffee machines, where we're situated, you know, whatever you want, we're here to listen and help. I think that's pretty much all I've got to say. I'm pretty tired. Say.
George:Yeah. I I was gonna say I'm I'm probably not gonna be able to maybe help with the coffee side, I'm definitely here to listen and learn. George is here
Kai:to listen and talk everything else Yeah. That we're gonna do. So And and edit because I don't know what I'm doing.
George:Yeah. I mean, I don't know either I'm just gonna edit it.
Kai:Look guys we just thought this would be cool and we hope you do too. It means a lot to us if you listen, watch, like, subscribe do people say that now? Whatever it is yeah?
George:Whatever the platform that you're listening to allows you to do do it. That's what I would say.
Kai:I'd say do it yeah yeah yeah.
George:Go on do it I dare you. Do what? Whatever it is that you can do. Sick.
Kai:I can't do much. Yeah. Thanks for listening, guys. See you the next episode.
George:Peace. See you soon.
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